Curse

dancing gnome · Feb 21, 2011, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by jazilla

balance in FA or JQ? is this thread from 2006?

Those arenas need bug fixes before you worry about balance. Many games are won and lost based on whether or not one side was hit by a bug or not. Usually it's the luxons losing out due to a turtle stall bug (which seems to be happening more frequently these days).

The dervish is pretty powerful there until you come up against a mesmer or necro. They still mess you over pretty easily with enchantment stripping.

miriforst · Feb 21, 2011, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

Those arenas need bug fixes before you worry about balance. Many games are won and lost based on whether or not one side was hit by a bug or not. Usually it's the luxons losing out due to a turtle stall bug (which seems to be happening more frequently these days).

The dervish is pretty powerful there until you come up against a mesmer or necro. They still mess you over pretty easily with enchantment stripping.

The enchant stripping is no longer a problem, but the anti melee still is.
Thanks deity something can stop them atleast with all these "hurr removes melee counter conditions even from a stack of cover conditions" i mean the whole point of apply poison for rangers is to cover cripple etc. what use is crippling shot or melandrus shot if the dervish simply hits an instant enchantment and looses it as well as gaining a powerfull primary effect.

Enchant stripping is even good in some cases since the dervish enchantments are made to be removed and have a fast recharge as well as a low cost. Also the cast is instant so good luck rupting the dervish (and they attack faster too). Sigh i suppose that diversion and weakness as well as water magic still works. Shame for the ranger though...

Bassma · Feb 21, 2011, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Usually it's the luxons losing out due to a turtle stall bug (which seems to be happening more frequently these days).

Lol that's not a bug that's me up on the hill holding agro on the turtle and healing myself completely before his next shot. lmao So that means you have to go find me and kill me and awwww I'm just out of range for you to stick yourself by the inside wall and hit me with your spells. So you'll have to break down both doors to get to me. lol

Arutima · Feb 21, 2011, 08:51 PM // 20:51

the update is nice . Tried using a dervish hero . THey still fail hard like all the other melee heroes. Anet really need to fix them .

Also, dervish are good in pvp, now

Wish Swiftdeath · Feb 21, 2011, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I'm starting to get annoyed by all derv trains happening. They just focus on a target, stripping enchants and keeping him perma crippled till your healer runs out of energy.

Hopefully they will see a slight nerf soon (for PvP)

LifeInfusion · Feb 21, 2011, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Arutima

the update is nice . Tried using a dervish hero . THey still fail hard like all the other melee heroes. Anet really need to fix them .

Also, dervish are good in pvp, now

Derv Avatar of Dwayna for PvE hero.

12+1+2 Mysticism, 11+1 Wind, 6 Blood
Avatar of Dwayna, Meditation, Lyssa's Haste, Whirling charge, Fleeting Stability (+2 net energy), Dark Fury, Foul feast, Mirage Cloak/Mystic healing

Karate Jesus · Feb 21, 2011, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Derv Avatar of Dwayna for PvE hero.

^ This.

Also, they might be slipping in a melee hero fix with Embark and 7 heroes (among other things).

shoyon456 · Feb 22, 2011, 02:22 AM // 02:22

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

I'm starting to get annoyed by all derv trains happening. They just focus on a target, stripping enchants and keeping him perma crippled till your healer runs out of energy.

Hopefully they will see a slight nerf soon (for PvP)

Granted I haven't fully explored the new Dervish, what exactly is there to nerf? The same target focus could be accomplished by Assassins/Warriors/etc...

It doesn't seem like any individual, particular new Dervish skill is imba outright, but certain combinations are very effective in a way that the Dervish has needed since it was first nerfed into the ground and shunned from competitive play.

Wish Swiftdeath · Feb 22, 2011, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Well that's the problem, overall the balance is good and most of the skills work great. Unfortunately certain skills combined together are just insane.

Basically with Avatar of Grenth, Grenths Aura and Harriers haste you have 40 hp lifesteal per hit. So they just cripple one target and keep attacking it non-stop, most of their attacks can't be blocked because they can remove stances/and or enchantments really easily.

So you end up with 2 or 3 dervishes on a team running around near invincible (unless you have major enchantment removable) with huge dps and good utility(they can lineback well).

I am glad that they got buffed and I am having fun on my dervish but I feel that it's kind of ridiculous right now, I don't want a sudden extreme nerf but I feel like certain skills need to be modified a little.

Basically the difference between the Dervish and an Assassin/Warrior is that you need positioning and intelligence to play the the latter, Dervish you can overextend and split incredibly well without any penalty.

At this point, I am wondering why anyone is using warriors still...

Phunky · Feb 22, 2011, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Awesome update, introduces more tactical play. I would imagine it's more in the lines of what GW2 will be like.
Seems like tactics is becoming a more pronounced strategy
mes update- AoE
derv update- AoE
upcoming para update?- AoE class
gw2?- AoE targeting

Seems like tactics wars might need a lil buff too, and maybe trappers oO
1 sec activation traps, would make bringing a tactical barbed trap along no issue...lol-- Just a couple silly immediate thoughts.

All in all, this update is awesome for the game. Makes derv think to do damage now. Enchant juggling with the right combos makes the Grenths fad look silly in pvp. I'd imagine it's just as good if not better in pve.
Seems like this is what dervs always should have been, they took a lil damage from scythes big deal. They gave it back to us in the enchant juggles.
Anyone can load a wammo and go tanking just like anyone can load heal heavy derv builds.
For those that think this is a nerf, Derv has been nerfed for how many years now? Think back before pve skills and heroes, those nerfed the entire game indirectly. People seem to explore other classes and skills much less because of it.
Derv is alot better than before, imo. Sure things seem clumsy or OPed atm, give people time to adjust and actually realize how it operates. It's just as easy to shut down in pvp as any other melee class, probably even easier since anti caster and anti melee work on it.

urania · Feb 22, 2011, 07:26 PM // 19:26

i cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.

ogre_jd · Feb 22, 2011, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by urania

i cant tell if this is sarcasm or not.

If you mean...

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Originally Posted by Phunky

Awesome update, introduces more tactical play. I would imagine it's more in the lines of what GW2 will be like.
Seems like tactics is becoming a more pronounced strategy
mes update- AoE
derv update- AoE
upcoming para update?- AoE class
gw2?- AoE targeting

...then it is sarcasm since boosting AoE reduces the need for tactical play down to the point where "tactics" = "not accidentally aggroing nearby spawns while blasting" and little more.

Boogz · Feb 23, 2011, 02:22 AM // 02:22

they finally are worth bringing into a party outside of PvP lamespike builds, nobody can deny that.

MithranArkanere · Feb 23, 2011, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Yeah.

I made Vizunah Square yesterday in HM with my dervish without having to be healed at all.

I wouldn't think about that with my dervish before, eating all those afflicted soul explosions.

urania · Feb 23, 2011, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by ogre_jd

If you mean...

...then it sarcasm since boosting AoE reduces the need for tactical play down to the point where "tactics" = "not accidentally aggroing nearby spawns while blasting" and little more.

i dont think my post needed an extra explanation.